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Do the Work

Do the Work is a podcast hosted by Brandon Kyle Goodman, about race and our personal relationships. Each episode is an intimate conversation between two people who know each other well — family, old friends, lovers or colleagues. We bring them together so they can finally have a real conversation about race, and we can all learn how to be anti-racist in our daily lives. We all have bias; let’s talk about it!

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Meet Brandon Kyle Goodman

Brandon Kyle Goodman (he/they) is an actor, writer, and activist. His most recent credits include Amazon’s “Modern Love”, Netflix’s “Feel The Beat” and Hulu’s “Plus One”. He is also a writer for the fourth and fifth seasons of Netflix’s animated series “Big Mouth”. As a proud, queer, Black person, Goodman has recently emerged as a staunch advocate for the #BlackLivesMatter movement, having gained over 60,000 followers and counting in the span of a few days following a recent viral video message to his white peers regarding his experience being Black in America. When not in front of the screen, Goodman loves to seek out great new eats, work out, binge “The Real Housewives,” and discover great vocal performances on YouTube. Goodman is currently based in Los Angeles, CA with his husband Matthew, and their puppy, Korey.

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Meet Debby Irving

Debby Irving brings to racial justice the perspective of working as acommunity organizer and classroom teacher for 25 years without understanding racism as a systemic issue or her own whiteness as an obstacle to grappling with it. As general manager of Boston’s Dance Umbrella and First Night, and later as a classroom teacher in Cambridge, Massachusetts, she struggled to make sense of tensions she could feel but not explain in racially mixed settings. In 2009, a graduate school course, Racial and Cultural Identities, gave her the answers she’d been looking for andlaunched her on a journey of discovery. Debby now devotes herself to working with white people exploring the impact white skin can have on perception, problem-solving, and engaging in racial justice work. Her book, Waking Up White, tells the story of how she went from well-meaning to well-doing and how she unpacked her own long-held beliefs about colorblindness, being a good person, and wanting to help people of color.

Anti-Racist Resources

Episode 1: White Privilege


“Dear Lori”: My Black Answers to Even More Questions About White Privilege
Black Wealth/White Wealth by Melvin Oliver and Thomas Shapiro
White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by Peggy McIntosh
What I Said When My White Friend Asked for My Black Opinion on White Privilege
Explainer: what is systemic racism and institutional racism?
The Origins of “Privilege”
How White People Got Made
21-Day Racial Equity Habit Building Challenge


Speaking of Psychology: The invisibility of white privilege with Brian Lowery, PhD


The Whiteness Project
A Poem for my White Friends: I Didn’t Tell You


Episode 2: Digital Activism


Black Software: The Internet & Racial Justice, from the AfroNet to Black Lives Matter by Charlton D. McIlwain
Algorithms of Oppression: How Search Engines Reinforce Racism by Safiya Umoja Noble
Beyond the Hashtags: #Ferguson, #Blacklivesmatter, and the online struggle for offline justice by Deen Freelon, Charlton D. McIlwain, and Meredith D. Clark
Black activism has been shaped by tech and data for 100 years
Performative Allyship Is Deadly (Here’s What to Do Instead)
Who are the black squares and cutesy illustrations really for?
The Second Act of Social-Media Activism
Black Lives Matter and the trap of performative activism

Episode 3: Literary/Cultural Racism


‘Every Work of American Literature Is About Race’: Writers on How We Got Here
The Hollywood Jim Crow: The Racial Politics of the Movie Industry by Maryann Erigha
Reading Racist Literature
Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by Ibram X. Kendi
In Publishing, ‘Everything Is Up for Change’
Diversity in Publishing in the Age of Black Lives Matter
Illustrating the Messy Reality of Life as an Interracial Family
There’s a Divide in Even the Closest Interracial Friendships Including ours

Episode 4: Asian-American Racism/Microaggresions/Familial Allyship


Citizen 13660 by Mine Okubo
Yellow Peril!: An Archive of Anti-Asian Fear
Asian Americans Are Still Caught in the Trap of the ‘Model Minority’ Stereotype. And It Creates Inequality for All
The long history of US racism against Asian Americans, from ‘yellow peril’ to ‘model minority’ to the ‘Chinese virus’


Still Processing – Asian-Americans Talk About Racism, and We Listen – Part 1
Still Processing – Asian-Americans Talk About Racism, and We Listen – Part 2


How Asian Are You?
ASIAN: How You See Me

Episode 5: Oreo


Think Twice Before You Call a Black Person an ‘Oreo’
We Stories
Raising Equity
Oreo by Fran Ross
Oreo: Growing up Black in Post-Racial America
I’ve Been Accused of ‘Acting White,’ but I’m Not the Real Problem
The problem with “sounding white”


The Oreo Category | Charles Graham
Calling Black Kids “Oreo”
The Many Problems With, “You Sound White”

Episode 6: Transracial Adoption


In Their Own Voices: Transracial Adoptees Tell Their Stories by Rhonda M. Roorda
The Personal is Political: Racial Identity and Racial Justice in Transracial Adoption
The Realities of Raising a Kid of a Different Race
Transracial & Transcultural Adoption: Preservation, Policy, and a Personal Perspective
My Adoptive Parents Hid My Racial Identity From Me For 19 Years
Transracial Adoptees are Facing an Identity Reckoning
Why We Need To Talk About The Transracial Adoption Experience
My Adoptive Parents Hid My Racial Identity From Me For 19 Years
Abby Johnson’s Video Shows the Problem with White Parents Adopting Children of Color / Instagram: @adoptee_thoughts


Adoptee Thoughts Podcast

Episode 7: Black Folks & Policing


10 things we know about race and policing in the U.S.
Know Your Rights While Protesting Police Brutality
The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander
Mass Defense Program
Pamela Chandler Facebook
Michelle Alexander and Paul Butler Talking About ‘Chokehold: Policing Black Men’
How racist policing took over American cities, explained by a historian
George Floyd’s death reflects the racist roots of American policing

Episode 8: Queer People of Color


6 Reasons Why ‘Defund The Police’ Is Also An LGBTQ Issue 

White gay privilege exists all year, but it is particularly hurtful during Pride 

Queer People of Color Led the L.G.B.T.Q. Charge, but Were Denied the Rewards 

Harvard Study: LGBT People of Color Suffer Double Discrimination  

Are white LGBT people really less racist than their straight/cis counterparts? 

51 Percent of People of Color Experience Racism in LGBTQ Communities 

Learning To Celebrate My South Asian Queerness Instead of Someone Else’s White Beauty Standards 

The Gay Community’s Fear and Loathing of Asian Men Must End 



For LGBTQ People Of Color, Discrimination Compounds